Honeywell 5800PIR-RES
Wireless Pet Immune Motion Detector
The Honeywell 5800PIR-RES is a wireless pet immune motion detector that is ideal for residential applications. As a member of the new 580...
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The Honeywell 5800PIR-RES is a wireless pet immune motion detector that is ideal for residential applications. As a member of the new 5800PIR series wireless motion detectors, the 5800PIR-RES is easier to install and less likely to trigger false alarms than older model Honeywell wireless motion detectors.
When the 5800PIR-RES motion detector is first powered up, it will enter warm up mode for approximately (45) seconds. The red LED will blink once per second during warm up mode. Afterwards, the 5800PIR-RES automatically enters the user friendly walk test mode. As you move around the room, the 5800PIR-RES's red LED will light up indicating detection. You can use this walk test mode to ensure you are mounting the wireless motion detector in the best possible location for maximum detection. The walk test mode will automatically turn off after (10) minutes making installation quick and easy.
The detection range of the 5800PIR-RES wireless motion detector is 35' x 40'. It will not detect pets up to a maximum total weight of (80) pounds. If you have cats or small dogs, we recommend installing the 5800PIR-RES so that there is no furniture within 6' of the motion detector to ensure pet immunity. Do not aim the motion detector at stairways or furniture that can be climbed on by animals.
We recommend installing the 5800PIR-RES wireless motion detector between 6.5' and 7.5' for optimal detection. If you mount the 5800PIR-RES on a metal surface, the wireless range will be reduced.
Optional swivel mount and ceiling mount brackets make for the easiest installation of the 5800PIR-RES wireless motion detector. However, for pet immune installations, you should mount the 5800PIR-RES flat on the wall. The optional mounting brackets eliminate the effectiveness of the pet immune feature.
The 5800PIR-RES wireless pet immune motion detector includes a user replaceable battery. The battery should last approximately (7) years under normal circumstances. There is no tamper feature on the 5800PIR-RES which makes changing the battery easiest for the do-it-yourself user as the motion detector will not trigger any alarms when you open its cover.
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You're welcome Pui!
thanks.
No, Your current zones will not be affected.
once my security system upgrade to 4g, is it necessary change my existing wirless motion sensor Honeywell 5800PIR-RES
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awesome! just what i was looking for! thank you ma'am!!!
Aha, this is because of Auto Stay mode and can be disabled in programming. Check out this FAQ:
https://www.alarmgrid.com/faq/why-does-my-lynx-touch-switch-back-to-stay-mode-when-i-arm-it-to-away-mode
Thanks Julia. I have the L5200 panel. The issue is, the panel refuses to arm in AWAY unless it detects someone exiting via the door sensors, which I dont have nor want. Even if I arm to AWAY, it counts down and then goes into Armed STAY mode. My goal is:
Armed STAY - All shock sensors and glass breaks, that way I can leave it on 24/7 and not have to be worried about us forgetting to arm it. We are in and out a lot with 8 kids.
Armed AWAY - Shock sensors, glass breaks, interior motions, and garage tilt sensors later as well.
How can I set this up?
Thanks!
David
You have 2 Interior Zone Types (usually, since I'm not 100% sure what panel you have) Interior Follower, and Interior with Delay. If you put the motion on the system, and program it as an interior zone type, then only arm the system in AWAY mode when you want the motions armed, you should be good. At all other times, arming STAY will automatically bypass the motions. Interior with Delay will always provide Entry Delay 1, unless the system is armed Maximum (or AWAY with NO DELAY). Interior Follower will only provide Entry Delay if another Delay zone is tripped prior to the motion being tripped.
Can I arm this sensor in AWAY mode without door / window contacts? I am only using 5819WHS shock sensors on every door and window in the house, that way I can leave my alarm in stay mode 24/7 and it will only go off if someone actively tries to break in. (ive got unkickable doors, lowered the sensitivity of the 5819WHS to not trip under normal open / closing and have taught the kids to not slam doors. That last part was the hardest... lol) I also have added security film to all my windows. I want to add these motions to my garage and interior as backups to the shock sensors to arm in AWAY mode for when we go out of town for an extra layer of security. If I incorporate door contacts, then my 24/7 shock only system wont work allowing us to come and go as we please without disarming. How can I arm in AWAY mode without door / window contacts? Thanks!
Yes, any stairs in the field of view of the motion will be problematic if the cats are able to go up and down the stairs when the system is armed in a mode that has the motions active. With the way the motion's angles of detection hit out into the room, a cat walking along the floor should not trip the motion but a cat that is able to go up vertically (aka on the stairs) "looks" like a taller body walking through the room for the motion and that is probably why you are having false alarms. You may need to get more than one motion and put them in opposite corners of the room and angled so that either don't pick up the stairs when active or you could remove the motion from that room and rely on door/window contacts and glass break detectors for that room instead.
We have been getting false positives due to cats recently. Our home has the stairwell in the middle of the house, so there is really no way for us to have the detector mounted to where it is not pointing at the stairwell. That being said, the stairwell is at least 10 feet from the detector at it's closest point (if not further). Would that still be an issue with this particular model? Do you have any other suggestions?
Yes, depending on how it's set as the Zone Type of course.
Thank you. To be clear, 2-3 minutes after arming the system, the motion sensor would activate nearly instantly if someone walked through, correct?
The battery saver mode only puts the motion to sleep when the system is disarmed and faulted so that you don't drain the battery as you walk around the home faulting the device over and over.
Typically you have a 60 second exit delay so assuming you had just faulted the motion the second before arming, there would potentially be a 2 minute period after you armed that someone could walk in front of motion undetected. However, the motion is active again automatically 3 minutes after the last "fault".
Can you please explain the 3 minute delay? Does it look for motion only once every three minutes? If so, if the system is armed and someone walks in front of the sensor between one reading and the next reading three minutes later, it would not trigger?
Thank you for your prompt support.
I will clalify my test again.
Something I've noticed lately, is people sometimes mount these devices upside down. It should be mounted like it's shown in the picture above, with the small wrap-around lens toward the bottom.
Once the walk test period is over, the motion's battery saver mode will kick in. With that mode, the motion goes to sleep for 3 minutes if it's activated with the system disarmed. Therefore, if you were in front of the motion before you armed, it was probably still sleeping by the time you armed it which is why it seemed to work intermittently. If you stay outside of the motion area for a full 3 minutes before arming, then you should be able to walk in front of the motion and have it trip right away.
Hi Sterling,
I have just enrolled 5800PIR-RES on my L5200 panel but it doesn't work in normal operation.
In Away Armed mode, some time it picked up alarm while movement across motion sensor range but mostly did not alarm even if I tried to move around motion area closely.
For test mode, I removed battery once then insert battery again, then perform test movement around motion area within 10 minutes. The result is It's work, can picked up every movement (Red LED show accordingly my movement)
What's wrong of its ?
Do I need to confirm any setting else ?
Can you explain what you're trying to do? If you want to default your panel programming, you have to enter Installer mode programming and press *97.
Hell Sterling. Can you tell me how to factory reset a tuxedo touch.
Wherever it looks good in your home and solves your RF supervision troubles shuold work just fine.
Thanks tons dude!
Is there a strategic spot one would put the 5800RP? I just randomly picked a spot in the house.
Okay, then you should be all set.
Yes I do want the device supervised.
You don't even need to program the maintenance zone for the repeater. It will work to boost the RF signal strength without any new programming needed. If you do want the device supervised, your programming looks good. It will cause an auxiliary alarm for that zone if there's a power loss, low battery, RF jam or RF supervision trouble.
Sterling,
Thanks for the reply. I did exactly as you suggested above. Just put in a 5800RP last night. Hoping for the best. My confidence level on enrolling the repeater in the control panel however is not very high. I did the non UL setup.
What exactly does """the wireless zone used to supervise the 5800RP should be setup as a 24-hour auxiliary zone type with supervised RF input type using loop 1""" mean? That's what was in the instructions. Below is what I did. Can you please comment on whether I did it right or not?
Loop Number: 1
Device Type: Other
Response Type: 24-hour auxiliary
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You have to program the zones using the *56 Zone Programming sub menu of programming. You can find the programming guide online at https://www.alarmgrid.com/documents/honeywell-vista-series-programming-guide.
I can't find any direction how to install wireless door sensors or motion detectors to Tuxedo touch with Vista 20P and 5881ENH. On Youtube is only install Z-Wave modules or IP cameras to Tuxedo touch.
The max output on the ECP bus is 600mA. The Tuxedo Touch draws up to 305mA and the 5881ENH has a 60mA max draw.
You can connect multiple devices to the ECP in parallel as long as you don't exceed the panel's power output.
ECP bus connections in Vista 20P are already use by Tuxedo Touch keypad.
The 5881ENH installs inside the metal box. However there are two included antennas that are designed to protrude of the top of the metal cabinet for optimal RF range. It requires a 4-wire connection to the ECP bus just like any other keypad. Check out the install guide here:
https://www.alarmgrid.com/documents/honeywell-5881enl-honeywell-5881enm-honeywell-5881enh-and-honeywell-5881enhc-install-guide
My Honeywell Tuxedo Touch is connected with wires to Vista 20P. How to connect ademco 5881ENH with this setup?
Can I place 5881ENH box inside of Vista 20P box or outside for stronger signal?
The 5800PIR-RES is a Honeywell RF wireless motion. The Tuxedo Touch works with wireless Z-Wave modules and wired back to your 20P to act as a touch screen keypad as well. If you want to integrate the 5800PIR-RES to your system, you'll need an RF wireless receiver. You can use a standalone receiver like the 5881ENL, 5881ENM or 5881ENH or you can use an integrated keypad with receiver like the 6150RF or 6160RF.
I have a Honeywell Tuxedo Touch with Vista 20P. Honeywell-5800PIR-RES motion detector will work with this setup?
We're glad to hear you are pleased so far. As always, let us know if you need anything else.
I think everyone's motion install and layout varies and one just need to find what works best! Overall, I'm very happy with the system and the ease of use! Thanks!
It sounds like you did have it installed properly but the dog was somehow getting around the pet immune technology. If it's working upside down to detect humans in all areas of the room and ignoring the dog, that sounds like a good work around.
Good morning Sterling. My dog was just slowly strolling around the floor area, not even moving that fast. Within the 10 minute mark I watched the sensor go off 2-3 times at both wall heights, however most of that time period it was not going off as if the pet immunity function was indeed working properly. The dog was not jumping on furniture or climbing any stairs during this. Update: I changed it up over the weekend though since my last post. Now I installed it just 48" high flat on a wall, but upside down so the beam goes straight out and not down. I then put it back in test mode and myself and my son crawled around on the floor (with dog excitedly following us around) and we could not get the sensor to go off at all. Standing up and just normally walking around, it will off without a hitch in every place it should. It seems to work great like this. Perhaps I'm not utilizing the pet immunity function correctly, however I really want to avoid false alarms if possible.
Was the sensor activating with the dog simply walking on the floor or was the dog jumping on furniture when it was activating?
Hi. I just installed this sensor at 8 feet flat on a wall. During the 10 minute walk through I stayed well clear of it and watched as my 45 lb dog walked around the house in front of the sensor. I noticed the sensor picked her up a few times around the 15' mark directly in front of the sensor. I have it programmed on loop 1. I tried it at 7.5' and now at 8' but it still seems to be activating occasionally. How pet immune are these sensors known to be? Even one false alarm would be too many I'd think. Thoughts? Thanks!
You may want to add a 5800RP (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-5800rp ) repeater and 1332 (https://www.alarmgrid.com/products/honeywell-1332 ) transformer as the supervision issue means the panel isn't reliably seeing signals from those sensors. The repeater will boost the RF signal strength back to the panel for any sensors in range of the repeater (assuming the repeater is installed in range of the panel).
Frank, thanks for the reply. I know what you're saying on the motion detector. I think what I was seeing was something else. Next time it does it, I will snap a picture of it and post it.
As for the sensors, they are the slim series and one is the main entry door that has issues, and the other is upstairs in the master bath window, both north wall of the house. The front door is not solid steel, but it is steel en-cased, or has steel paneling, however you want to say it. Funny how it's just the north wall that has issues. The motion is also on the north wall.
The control panel is mounted on a wall in the hallway, between the north wall and the panel, I have a ton of stuff in the garage, like roll away's full of tools and other stuff. I wonder if all that stuff creates some kind of an interference. Any thoughts?
The event log only reports troubles not faults. It sounds like your motion detector is simply faulting when it detects motion which is what it should be doing. Is this motion within view of the panel? You can just be still for a few seconds and let the fault restore. Then arm the system.
Now regarding the supervisory issues - these are troubles, not faults. Supervision issues generally occur when there some sort of interference or just a range issue. How far from the panel are these sensors? How many walls in between? Are they mounted on any metal surfaces (i.e. doors, window)?
I did what you said, but it doesn't show the fault. It was actually a fault that I saw. But the events didn't record it. All it recorded was me by-passing that zone. I had to by pass it because the system wouldn't arm because of the fault. I just un bypassed it so when it faults, I will snap a picture of the screen and post it. Again, the event's did not log the fault :(
I have a two story house and it's very funny that all the problems I've had have been on the north wall. The front door has had supervisory issues. The master bath upstairs has had supervisory issues and now the motion sensor downstairs. All on the north wall of the house.
Is it a fault or a trouble? What's the actual event code in the event log (Security > More > Tools > enter Master Code > Events)?
Hey Sterling, big fan! love the tutorial vids. You've helped
me a lot and others. So hats off to you.
I have a Honeywell Lynx Touch L7000 with two Honeywell-5800PIR-RES motion detectors.
It's reporting a fault on one of them. I just installed the system 3 months ago. :( What could cause this?
The battery life is closely tied to the number of motion activations detected by the motion. According to Honeywell,
the projected battery life based on number of daily activations is as follows:
20 activations - 9.5 yrs.
40 activations - 7 yrs.
60 activations - 6 yrs.
80 activations - 5 yrs.
100 activations - 4.5 yrs.
120 activations - 3.9 yrs.
140 activations - 3.6 yrs.
160 activations - 3 yrs.
The motion uses a battery saver mode that locks out transmissions for 3 minutes after the motion detects activity when the system is disarmed. This helps to reduce the number of daily activations as you and your family walk around the home.
The 5800PIR does have the same battery life.
Impressive battery life...What is normal circumstances for a wireless PIR when considering battery life? Does the
Honeywell 5800PIR also have 7 year battery life?
Good question. How far from the motion are they? It is really hard to determine pet immunity. This motion uses passive IR technology which can be tricked with small pets if they are active. Do you let the birds fly free throughout the house?
I have pet birds. They are up higher than most pets (4-5' from the floor). Their combined weight is only 3 pounds. Do you think this sensor will be set off when they move around?
Yes the "transmission lockout" serves a battery saving timeout to ensure longer battery life. This can cause issues with testing.
I did the test and the reception was better. Might be the 3 min reset.
That is the recommended height and if it's pointing down, you should get up to 40' range into the room.
Have you tried with the walk test mode - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6FiGiuVGHY?
There are some unique features of the motion that can make it seem like it's not working when it is. The walk test mode will eliminate all those unique features so you can just walk throughout the room and see (via the red LED) where it's picking you up for motion.
7 1/2 feet - yes, it is pointing down.
What height do you have it installed? Also is the smaller motion mask pointing up or down?
I installed my 5800PIR-RES on a corner of a room and it only reacts to movement within 12 feet of the sensor. Is there anything I can to to get more range out of this?
If the cat is jumping on furniture in the area of the motion, that could be triggering the motion.
Honeywell recommends that you keep all furniture at least 6' radius from the motion.
what can be causing false alarms? We have a 5lbs cat.
the sensor is installed on a room that may receive direct sunlight.