Honeywell 5800MINIPK5 Posts

Resideo’s recent MyWebTech Technical Notification #114 warns of potential range issues with certain 5800MINI transmitters. These units may have a poorly placed FCC sticker inside the cover, hindering their ability to communicate with the receiver. Both 5800MINI and 5800MINIBR are affected.

There are a number of circumstances that could cause range issues for a transmitter. Large metal objects such as appliances, duct work, and even some mirrors can affect the transmission path of a sensor. Even if the obstacle is not within a direct line-of-sight between the sensor and the receiver, the signal can be bounced away from the receiver. This may happen intermittently or consistently.

It's important to note that this issue is specific to a limited number of sensors. To identify affected units, you'll need to check the packaging. Look for a date code of 2429 or 2431 (YYWW format, indicating the year and week of manufacture). The packaging will also have the designation "Made in Taiwan." If your sensor matches these criteria, it may be impacted by this issue.

If you suspect your sensor is affected, it's crucial that you leave the metallic FCC sticker in place. Removing or tampering with the sticker is illegal and could void the warranty. Instead, you should contact your security system provider for further assistance.

If you are an Alarm Grid customer, send an email to support@alarmgrid.com. We will reach out to troubleshoot with you further and will perform a warranty replacement if we determine that the product is the issue. It is important that we perform regular troubleshooting, particularly if you no longer have the product packaging to verify the date and location of manufacture.

Resideo has released Technical Notification #90 due to an issue in manufacturing. In this case, tamper switches on the 5800MINI were installed incorrectly. There is a sales hold on these units to allow a correction of this issue. Only white units are affected, this did not affect brown units.

The 5800MINI is a popular option. It has a small footprint and a convenient blue LED that indicates proper magnet alignment. Recently we have noticed that these units have been back ordered and are currently unavailable. This is most likely the cause.

The 5800MINI, like most wireless sensors, uses an internal tamper button to detect any unauthorized opening of the sensor. This button varies depending on the sensor, but in most cases on the cover, you typically will have a protruding plastic piece that is intended to press down on the tamper switch to close it when the cover is properly installed.

The defective units had this tamper button installed upside down. So when the cover is installed, the plastic piece built into the cover is not making contact with the actual tamper button. They have identified the faulty units to have been manufactured between February 13, 2023 and April 17, 2023. This would mean the date codes on these defective units will show 2307 through 2316. The date code consists of a 2-digit year, and 2-digit week of the year. The date codes can be found on a label on the box that the 5800MINI comes in.

If you recently installed an affected unit, you will likely already know, because the sensor will have indicated a tamper trouble that will not clear, even with the cover properly installed. Holding down the tamper with your finger and then disarming will allow you to clear it, though.

Commercial panels like the Vista-128BPT, have a feature that allows them to ignore zone tampers. This is enabled in programming field *24. If this feature is enabled on your commercial panel, you may not be aware of a tamper issue, as enabling this feature tells the panel to ignore all 5800 and polling loop zone tampers.

If you are currently installing one of these faulty sensors, and need a workaround until your warranty replacement arrives, there is an option. The 5800MINI, reports its tamper on loop 4. On Vista-15p, Vista-20p, and Vista-21ip panels, if you have an available unused wireless zone, you can program the serial number from the 5800MINI using loop 4 and use a non-response zone type, such as zone type 23 (no alarm response). For Lynx, Lyric, and PROA7PLUS panels, you can select "Other" as Device Type and "No Response" as the Response Type. Then the tamper will be ignored.

If you no longer have the box to visually identify the defective 5800MINI units by date code, compare yours with the pictures below. In the first picture, the IC chip is mostly covered with the serial number label, but the tamper button should be on the side closer to this chip. It is not. It is closer to the edge of the sensor.

If properly installed, the tamper should look like the second picture shown below. The IC chip is clearly shown in this image. It's a black square with a white dot in the middle. The black tamper button is on the side closest to this chip.

If you encounter one of these faulty devices, please contact the distributor or retailer where you purchased it. They can inform you of their method for resolving this issue. Alarm Grid customers can begin this process by emailing a picture of their faulty device's tamper switch and including the order number, if available. If you don't have the order number, please provide the email address associated with the order. Alarm Grid customers with defective devices will be sent a warranty replacement when the new ones are available. We can also offer you the workaround mentioned above, until the new product is available.

Resideo is offering the 5815 2-zone door and window sensor as a temporary replacement until 5800MINIs become available. For now, it will be at the same price as the 5800MINI. At alarmgrid.com we have made this adjustment to the pricing of the 5815. The 5815 has been lowered to a price of $24.99 until this issue is resolved. Please stay tuned for any updates on this issue, as we receive them.

A great way to build out your Honeywell Lyric is with Honeywell 5800 Sensors. These are simple, 345 MHz wireless sensors that you can easily enroll with the system for security, life-safety, and environmental monitoring. They are perfect for expanding your system and making it more robust.

When you want to pair a Honeywell 5800 Sensor with the Lyric, the process is very straightforward. Put the Lyric in its auto-enrollment mode by choosing Security > Tools > enter Installer Code (default 4112) > Program > Zones > Add New > Serial Number. Make sure the RF Type on the right-hand side is set to 5800. Then activate the sensor either by faulting it or triggering its cover tamper switch. The Lyric should beep to confirm that it received a signal transmission. Then activate the sensor a second time to have the Lyric display the Serial Number. The third activation will confirm the Serial Number and return you to the screen where you can configure the zone settings.

Programming the zone settings for the sensor is actually quite simple. Depending on how you enrolled the sensor, you may need to adjust the Loop Number. This is almost always the case if you enrolled the sensor by activating its tamper switch. Refer to the instruction manual for the 5800 Sensor to determine which Loop Number to use.

The two (2) Zone Descriptors and the Device Type serve as the name for the sensor. You should choose a name that will help you identify the sensor, e.g. "Front Bedroom Motion Sensor", "South Hallway Door", etc. The Response Type determines how the system responds when the sensor is faulted. See our list of Lyric Response Types for more info.

Alarm Report should be set to Yes if you want the system to report out through AlarmNet to a Central Station if the zone causes an alarm on the system. That is an essential component of alarm monitoring services. Chime is optional, and it has the panel emit any one of several available sounds when the zone is faulted. Supervision tells the panel to look for an RF check-in signal from the sensor periodically to ensure that it is online. Click Save in the bottom-right after you finish adjusting the settings.

Keep in mind that only uni-directional (one-way) sensors from the Honeywell 5800 Series can be used with the Lyric. This leaves out bi-directional devices like the Honeywell 5800WAVE Siren, the Honeywell 5828 Keypad, and the Honeywell 5800RL Relay Module, so make sure you do not buy those for the Lyric. But you still have a lot of excellent sensors and security devices to choose from.

Below is a list of the Honeywell 5800 Sensors that you can use with the Honeywell Lyric:

Sensor Name	Notes
Honeywell 5800MINI	Door/Window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800PIR-RES	PIR motion sensor. Uses Loop 1. Coverage Area: 35' x 40'
Honeywell 5816	Door and window sensor. Loop 1 = Terminal Block for NC Contact Loop 2 = Reed Switch
Honeywell 5811	Door and window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800C2W	9-zone wired to wireless converter. Allows hardwired sensors to communicate with the Lyric as wireless devices. All zones use Loop 1 and a unique Serial Number ID.
Honeywell 5800CO	Carbon monoxide sensor. Loop 1 = CO Detection Loop 2 = End of Sensor Life (separate programming only required on TURBO and other V-Plex panels)
Honeywell 5800COMBO	Combination, smoke, heat, CO, and low-temperature sensor. Uses up to five (5) zones on the Lyric Panel. Has two (2) Serial Numbers for enrollment purposes. Loop 1, SN 1 = Smoke/Heat Detection Loop 2, SN 1 = Smoke/Heat Maintenance Loop 3, SN 1 = Low Temperature Detection Loop 1, SN 2 = CO Detection Loop 2, SN 2 = End of Sensor Life (separate programming required only on TURBO and other V-Plex panels)
Honeywell 5800FLOOD	Flood and temperature sensor. Loop 1 = Low Temperature Detection Loop 2 = High Temperature Detection Loop 3 = Flood Detection
Honeywell 5800MICRA	Recessed window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800PIR	PIR motion sensor. Loop 1 = Low Sensitivity Motion. Loop 2 = High Sensitivity Motion. Loop 3 = Low Temperature Detection Coverage Area: 35' x 40'
Honeywell 5800PIR-COM	Commercial PIR motion sensor. Loop 1 = Low Sensitivity Motion Loop 2 = High Sensitivity Motion Loop 3 = Low Temperature Detection Coverage Area: 60' x 80'
Honeywell 5800PIR-OD	Outdoor PIR motion sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800PIR-OD2	Outdoor PIR motion sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800RP	Wireless repeater for Honeywell 5800 Sensors. Does not require enrollment, but can be assigned a single zone for RF supervision, low-battery, AC loss, and RF jam detection. This is done using Serial Number 1 with Loop 1, with DIP Switch 2 set in the OFF position. Can also use up to four (4) separate zones for supervision when DIP Switch 2 is set to ON. This is required for UL installations.
Honeywell 5800RPS	Recessed door/window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5800SS1	Shock sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5802MN	Medical alert button. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5802MN2	Medical alert button. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5802WXT	Panic button. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5802WXT-2	Panic button. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5806W3	Smoke detector. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5808W3	Smoke and heat detector. Loop 1 = Smoke & Heat Detection Loop 3 = Low Temperature Detection
Honeywell 5809	Fixed temperature and rate-of-rise heat detector. Uses Loop 1. Alarm occurs when the temperature exceeds 135 degrees Fahrenheit, or when the temperature rises more than 15 degrees Fahrenheit per minute.
Honeywell 5809FXT	Fixed temperature heat detector. Uses Loop 1. Alarm occurs when the temperature exceeds 135 degrees Fahrenheit.
Honeywell 5809SS	Fixed temperature and rate-of-rise heat detector. Uses Loop 1. Alarm occurs at 135 degrees Fahrenheit or when the temperature rises more than 15 degrees Fahrenheit per minute.
Honeywell 5814	Door and window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5815	Door and window sensor. Loop 1 = Terminal Block for NC Contact Loop 2 = Reed Switch
Honeywell 5816MN	Door and window sensor. Loop 1 = Terminal Block for NC Contact Loop 2 = Reed Switches
Honeywell 5816OD	Outdoor door and window sensor. Loop 1 = Terminal Block for NC Contact Loop 2 = Reed Switch
Honeywell 5817	Three (3) zone door and window sensor & transmitter. Loop 1 = NC or NO (DIP Switch Selectable) unsupervised. It does not use an End of Line Resistor (EOLR) Loop 2, 3 = NC Only. Both are unsupervised with no EOLR used
Honeywell 5817CBXT	Three (3) zone commercial transmitter. Loop 1 = Two (2) Terminals; Primary Loop supervised by 470k Ohm (yellow, purple, yellow, gold) EOLR. Resistor must ALWAYS be installed, even if Loop 1 is not programmed. If Loop 1 is used as a burglary zone, then Loop 4 must be programmed as a separate zone for Cover Tamper protection. Loop 2 = NC Reed Switch Loop 3 = Two (2) Terminals; NC Loop unsupervised, no EOLR required
Honeywell 5817XT	Three (3) zone door and window sensor & transmitter. Loop 1 = NC or NO (DIP Switch Selectable) unsupervised with no EOLR required Loop 2, 3 = Two (2) Terminal Blocks, NC Only
Honeywell 5818MNL	Recessed door and window sensor. Uses Loop 1. Not suitable for use in metal doors
Honeywell 5819	Three (3) zone shock processor. Loop 1 = NC for Inertia Style External Shock Sensor. This input provides a suitable fast loop response of from 1ms to 20ms, based on dip switch setting Loop 2 = Reed Switch Loop 3 = NC for Wired Contact, unsupervised with no EOLR required
Honeywell 5819S	Shock sensor and contact sensor. Loop 1 = Built-in Inertia Style Shock Sensor Loop 2 = Reed Switch Loop 3 = NC for Wired Contact
Honeywell 5819WHS	Three (3) zone shock processor. Loop 1 = NC, Built-in Inertia Style Shock Sensor Loop 2 = Reed Switch Loop 3 = NC for Wired Contact
Honeywell 5820L	Slimline door and window sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5822T	Garage tilt sensor. Loop 1 = NC for Wired Contact, unsupervised, no EOLR used Loop 3 = Tilt Switch
Honeywell 5834-2	Two (2) button key fob. Dual-button inputs allowed. Uses three (3) loops total, for a possible three (3) inputs. Can only be used with the Lyric in Low-Security Mode (Green LED)
Honeywell 5834-4	Four (4) button key fob. Dual-button inputs allowed. Uses two (2) Serial Numbers, which both use Loops 1, 2, 3, 4. Up to eight (8) inputs possible. Can only be used with the Lyric in Low-Security Mode (Green LED)
Honeywell 5834-4EN	Four (4) button key fob. Dual-button inputs allowed. Uses two (2) Serial Numbers, which both use Loops 1, 2, 3, 4. Up to eight (8) inputs possible. Can only be used with the Lyric in Low-Security Mode (Green LED)
Honeywell 5853	Glass break sensor. Uses Loop 1.
Honeywell 5869	Commercial panic switch. Uses Loop 1. Latches when tripped, key (provided) needed to reset it after it is tripped
Honeywell 5878	Six (6) button key fob. Uses two (2) Serial Numbers, which both use Loops 1, 2, 3, 4. Up to eight (8) inputs possible.
Honeywell 5898	Dual-tec motion sensor. Loop 1 = Low Sensitivity Motion Sensor. Pet immunity is available for this loop. 50lb or 100lb pet immunity, selectable via DIP Switch 1 Loop 2 = High Sensitivity Motion Sensor. Loop 3 = Temperature Sensor (High or Low, DIP Switch Selectable)